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Top Entrepreneurial Cities in 2010

Post #23797
01-26-2011 02:07 PM
natcordev

Communities in Boom: Canada's top entrepreneurial cities in 2010
October 2010 | Ted Mallett | Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB) | Link

Entrepreneurship matters, particularly at the local level. Looking at a wide range of indicators on the presence, growth, health and policy environment for small business ownership and entrepreneurship, Western Canadian cities dominate the list for 2010. Alberta metropolitan areas occupy five of the top 10, including top ranking Grande Prairie. Lloydminster, on the Alberta-Saskatchewan border is close behind, followed by two more Saskatchewan communities, Saskatoon and Prince Albert.

Scores are slightly higher than last year, mainly because the economy is further in recovery. However, only two out of 100 cities in the list score higher than 70 out of 100-which shows there is room for considerable improvement even for cities near the top of the list. Typically small and mid-size cities outpoint larger urban cores.

What makes an entrepreneurial city:

There is no question that small and medium enterprises (SMEs) are Canada's engine of growth. After all, SMEs employ about 53% of all working individuals in the country. Businesses, whether they are located in urban or rural areas, play an integral part in the economic and social well-being of communities. In this study, Canadians can gain a better understanding of the triumphs and hardships of small business ventures.

There is no single best way to measure the entrepreneurship quotient of cities, so CFIB combines a range of approaches to arrive at an overall score. It may seem obvious, but the surest signs of an entrepreneurial hot spot are the presence of a high concentration of entrepreneurs and a high business start-up rate. It is also important that business owners have high levels of optimism and success in their operations. Good public policy is also critical, so we look at the presence of supportive local government tax and regulatory policies.
Follow this link for the full report, surprisingly Waterloo isn't at the top of this list, or anywahere on this list for that matter??? Is Waterloo lagging behind? Is the study bogus? Or should local Politicians take heed?

http://www.cfib-fcei.ca/cfib-documents/rr3206.pdf
Post #23800
01-26-2011 04:42 PM
Spokes

Metropolis Member
Kitchener
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4996 posts
Quote Originally Posted by natcordev View Post
surprisingly Waterloo isn't at the top of this list, or anywahere on this list for that matter??? Is Waterloo lagging behind? Is the study bogus? Or should local Politicians take heed?
Well I see no reason to think that the study is bogus, so yes I guess Waterloo Region is lagging behind.

We're not a very daring region at all, a lot of people (not just entrepreneurs) fail to take risks.
Post #23802
01-26-2011 05:13 PM
Trogdor

Village Member
London and Waterloo
Joined Mar 2010
85 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
Well I see no reason to think that the study is bogus, so yes I guess Waterloo Region is lagging behind.

We're not a very daring region at all, a lot of people (not just entrepreneurs) fail to take risks.
I would have to disagree with you there, Spokes. While Waterloo may not be the most entrepreneurial city, it definitely ranks among the best in Canada and is consistently cited for its innovation in business for things such as Communitech and the R&T Park. I'm definitely not saying this study is complete bogus, but it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. I know that there is some pride talking in my feelings about this, but I also think the facts just don't add up.
Post #23803
01-26-2011 05:41 PM
HillDweller

Hamlet Member
Joined Dec 2010
8 posts
When you see all the negativity about the proposed LRT, when we have money on the table from both the Province and the Feds, it leaves the impression that we have a large group of people who are afraid to make decisions and take risks. The politicians need to get their act together and make a decision soon. They can certainly find the money to make up any shortfall by financing the cost over a longer period of time. If we end up choosing buses it will verify that this Region is not very entrepreneurial. Some people, including politicians, won't even take the time to understand the proposal. They are just against it, even though they don't know the proposed route or anything else about it. They want BRT, but they don't really understand what that involves either.
Post #23804
01-26-2011 05:53 PM
Urban_Enthusiast86

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Joined Mar 2010
341 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post
I would have to disagree with you there, Spokes. While Waterloo may not be the most entrepreneurial city, it definitely ranks among the best in Canada and is consistently cited for its innovation in business for things such as Communitech and the R&T Park. I'm definitely not saying this study is complete bogus, but it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. I know that there is some pride talking in my feelings about this, but I also think the facts just don't add up.
A few points:

1) Yes, Waterloo is known for its innovation in mobile devices and other types of software development. There are lots of entrepreneurs in the high tech sector, who are very innovative. A few major think tanks are present as well.

Does this translate into the general population of the region being innovative and entrepreneurial? Not in the slightest.

If we want to talk about city-building, I wouldn't rank Waterloo Region that high at all. Sure, we have some visioning coming out of the Region and the City of Kitchener, but the few good things we have planned meet tremendous opposition from a lot of visionless, small town stalwarts in this city. In this respect, I would say places like Calgary have far more of an optimism in terms of their view of growth. Historically, they've also made bold moves like the LRT when they were around our population.

Does anyone really think there's something running through the blood of locals that makes us smarter, more innovative, and more entrepreneurial? Seems silly to me.

2) Organizations like Communitech, as positive as they are, bring a certain bias to their assessment of the state of affairs in this Region. They're going to be understandly more optimistic and 'community-aware' than the general public. I see them as a benefit to the region, but I don't think they represent 545,000 people that well.

3) Wood Buffalo and these other resource-based economies among the most innovative?? That's a laugh. Their weath is basically inherited from mother earth, with very little value added to the wealth they extract out of the ground, whether it's oil in Wood Buffalo or potash just outside of Saskatoon. A lot of these places don't have a back-up plan if their one-trick pony were to falter. Although, in the sense that people move to these places and set up businesses (benefitting from resource-based spin-offs) to 'ride the wave of wealth', they may be more entrepreneurial than Waterloo Region.
Post #23810
01-26-2011 06:39 PM
mpd618

City Member
Waterloo, ON
Joined Jan 2010
998 posts
One way of thinking about this, at least in the retail sphere, is how many independent establishments we have, as compared with chains. The answer is that we're mostly suburbs, and mostly identical ones full of identical chain businesses.

Most of the jobs in the Region can be traced to a handful of large companies or institutions (RIM, Toyota, the universities), as opposed to smaller scale enterprises.
Post #23811
01-26-2011 07:11 PM
Rowe

Town Member
Kitchener
Joined Aug 2010
179 posts
Waterloo is hands down one of the most overrated cities in Canada. Yes, it has great universities and high tech industries... but the city itself is not a place of investment or innovation. The fact that people are more interested in Waterloo NOT making the list than Cambridge.

Hey, Kitchener made the list. That's great. What are they doing different?

Its a nice city...I won't take that away, but Waterloo needs to understand... you can't just coast on your reputation. You have to work to keep it and currently the city politicians don't see that.

Alright Waterloo Zombies... have at me!
Post #23821
01-26-2011 08:33 PM
panamaniac

Town Member
Joined Mar 2010
427 posts
I don't think a list like this means much (I don't think any Canadian city is particularly "entrepreneurial" compared to what one sees in some places abroad). In any event, re Waterloo, is it not included in the survey as Kitchener CMA?
Post #23827
01-26-2011 09:00 PM
HillDweller

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Joined Dec 2010
8 posts
Quote Originally Posted by panamaniac View Post
I don't think a list like this means much (I don't think any Canadian city is particularly "entrepreneurial" compared to what one sees in some places abroad). In any event, re Waterloo, is it not included in the survey as Kitchener CMA?
Table 3: Source Data in the charts.....Kitchener (CMA)

Waterloo can now soothe its bruised ego. It was included under Kitchener.
Post #23829
01-26-2011 10:26 PM
Rowe

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Kitchener
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179 posts
Quote Originally Posted by HillDweller View Post
Table 3: Source Data in the charts.....Kitchener (CMA)

Waterloo can now soothe its bruised ego. It was included under Kitchener.
I guess, since a lot of studies use "Kitchener-Waterloo" or "Waterloo Region..." but some of us forgot that Waterloo is part of the CMA named under "Kitchener."

Back to the discussion about the Region. I agree with UE86. We are a stable place, but by no means are any of the cities in the Kitchener CMA inspiring or innovative.

We do have the potential.
Post #23842
01-27-2011 12:18 AM
Spokes

Metropolis Member
Kitchener
Joined Dec 2009
4996 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Trogdor View Post
I would have to disagree with you there, Spokes. While Waterloo may not be the most entrepreneurial city, it definitely ranks among the best in Canada and is consistently cited for its innovation in business for things such as Communitech and the R&T Park. I'm definitely not saying this study is complete bogus, but it should definitely be taken with a grain of salt. I know that there is some pride talking in my feelings about this, but I also think the facts just don't add up.
I agree with you, it's a good entrepreneurial city, but it could be so much more. Communitech and the R&T Park are amazing and deserve a ton of credit. I just genuinely think that as a Region we tend to play it safe more often than not, and that goes for everything, not just entrepreneurship.
Post #23843
01-27-2011 12:19 AM
Spokes

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Kitchener
Joined Dec 2009
4996 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Rowe View Post
Waterloo is hands down one of the most overrated cities in Canada. Yes, it has great universities and high tech industries... but the city itself is not a place of investment or innovation. The fact that people are more interested in Waterloo NOT making the list than Cambridge.

Hey, Kitchener made the list. That's great. What are they doing different?

Its a nice city...I won't take that away, but Waterloo needs to understand... you can't just coast on your reputation. You have to work to keep it and currently the city politicians don't see that.
Most overrated cities in Canada? I couldn't disagree more. But please, continue, explain yourself.

I agree, Waterloo has a great reputation, and as far as leaders, I think they coast on their reputation at times, but from an entrepreneurial standpoint (which this is about) I don't see it. But if Im missing something I'd love to know.
Post #23844
01-27-2011 12:20 AM
Spokes

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Kitchener
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4996 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Rowe View Post
I guess, since a lot of studies use "Kitchener-Waterloo" or "Waterloo Region..." but some of us forgot that Waterloo is part of the CMA named under "Kitchener."
You're actually wrong, the CMA is called Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA.
Post #23846
01-27-2011 12:51 AM
mpd618

City Member
Waterloo, ON
Joined Jan 2010
998 posts
Do we even have any policies in place in Waterloo Region that try to make it easier and more attractive for small businesses to set up shop? Sure, we have some support for tech start-ups. But in general?
Post #23859
01-27-2011 10:57 AM
Rowe

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Kitchener
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179 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
You're actually wrong, the CMA is called Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo CMA.
So is Statistics Canada.
Post #23860
01-27-2011 11:06 AM
Spokes

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Kitchener
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4996 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Rowe View Post
So is Statistics Canada.
We’re now the Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo Census Metropolitan Area
November 9, 2010 | Record Staff | Waterloo Region Record | Link


WATERLOO REGION – It’s official. Cambridge is out from under the shadow of Kitchener when the federal government distributes data about the local population and economy.

After requests from local city and Waterloo Region council, we are now the Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo Census Metropolitan Area – not the Kitchener Census Metropolitan Area.

An October letter from Statistics Canada to Cambridge city hall confirmed the change. Nothing has changed as far as data collected or distributed about the local economy and population, but some Cambridge politicians previously grumbled that the second-largest city in the region deserved more prominence when potential investors look up economic data.
Post #23861
01-27-2011 11:07 AM
Rowe

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Kitchener
Joined Aug 2010
179 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
Most overrated cities in Canada? I couldn't disagree more. But please, continue, explain yourself.

I agree, Waterloo has a great reputation, and as far as leaders, I think they coast on their reputation at times, but from an entrepreneurial standpoint (which this is about) I don't see it. But if Im missing something I'd love to know.
The reason it is overrated is because of the universities. They do way more in terms of innovation, entrepreneurship and inspiration. It's hard working for a university and the City of Waterloo because the city is way behind the universities... which are moving forward with or without Waterloo.
Post #23862
01-27-2011 11:07 AM
Rowe

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Kitchener
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179 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Spokes View Post
We’re now the Kitchener-Cambridge-Waterloo Census Metropolitan Area
November 9, 2010 | Record Staff | Waterloo Region Record | Link
Gross.
Post #23863
01-27-2011 11:10 AM
Greg Moore

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Belmont Villiage
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240 posts
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I think there is some incredible innovation an entrepreneurial spirit created through UW. I bet Waterloo has far more start up businesses year after year than the Canadian average. I think part of the reason that Waterloo has so many tech start ups is that UW allows it's employees to own their innovations instead of the university owning them.

Waterloo Region from my perspective is incredibly conservative but there are some great things going on innovation wise, at least in high-tech.
Post #23865
01-27-2011 12:23 PM
Urban_Enthusiast86

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341 posts
Quote Originally Posted by Rowe View Post
Gross.
Gross indeed. But for US metropolitan statistical areas, it's really common. For example:

- Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington
- San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont
- Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater
- Buffalo-Niagara Falls
- Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton

And there's plenty more where that came from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Table_o...tistical_Areas