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Post #7334 05-21-2010 12:18 PM Waterlooian4Life Hamlet Member |
RIM World Headquarters 560 Westmount Road North, Waterloo http://www.rsarchitects.ca/projects/currentwork.asp# |
Post #7337 05-21-2010 12:41 PM jay Moderator Bauer Lofts, Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 665 posts |
Still annoyed by this location. |
Post #7338 05-21-2010 12:44 PM KLM Town Member Kitchener Joined May 2010 203 posts |
any pictures,renderings ? wonder why 3 floors since its going to be `world hq`? |
Post #7342 05-21-2010 02:05 PM RangersFan Sports & Recreation Moderator Kitchener Joined Jan 2010 746 posts |
RIM loves bad urban design, and I don't like this location for this at all. But I am glad it is in Waterloo Region. |
Post #7343 05-21-2010 02:16 PM KLM Town Member Kitchener Joined May 2010 203 posts |
hm ,I thought RIM HQ are somewhere on Northfield Dr. too bad ,such a reputable company goes with bad design for buidling. |
Post #7344 05-21-2010 02:19 PM TripleQ Village Member Joined Jan 2010 92 posts |
I was wondering what was going there.. drove past this morning and all I could smell was pine from the clear cutting. Does seem like an odd location though, I thought it'd be residential. Here's an odd thought that popped into my mind... land swap with UW (Part of north campus for Phillip & Columbia?) |
Post #7345 05-21-2010 02:38 PM mpd618 City Member Waterloo, ON Joined Jan 2010 941 posts |
What corner of Westmount & Bearinger is this going up in? |
Post #7347 05-21-2010 02:42 PM taylortbb Town Member Waterloo, Ontario Joined Jan 2010 306 posts Taylor Byrnes |
North-East. The little piece left by the Westmount road construction realignment. South side is UW property, North-West is a GRCA conservation area. |
Post #7348 05-21-2010 02:46 PM mpd618 City Member Waterloo, ON Joined Jan 2010 941 posts |
Thanks. So it's the area between the new Westmount and the old Westmount alignments. |
Post #7407 05-23-2010 06:39 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5045 posts |
You and me both! |
Post #7408 05-23-2010 06:40 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5045 posts |
Those aren't the HQ, just a technology park. But really, the design isn't bad, just the scale and the location. |
Post #7409 05-23-2010 06:42 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5045 posts |
Pretty sure this is the one: From here: http://www.rsarchitects.ca/projects/currentwork.asp# |
Post #7436 05-23-2010 11:28 PM metropolis Town Member Waterloo Joined Jan 2010 133 posts |
You sure that render at the top of this page, off the architect's site is for this HQ? It’s called the Centre for Excellence on that site. Interesting side note they also have a basic render for the Breithaupt and King Street property gentrification. |
Post #7444 05-24-2010 01:43 AM RangersFan Sports & Recreation Moderator Kitchener Joined Jan 2010 746 posts |
I am still confused as to exactly where this is going. I haven't been by that intersection in a few weeks but this is the NE corner. Are they building right beside Laurel Creek? http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sourc...2,337.76,,0,16 |
Post #7448 05-24-2010 09:18 AM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5045 posts |
Ya I wondered that too, but someone on here (I forget who) back a few months ago said that that's what the project was. So I could be wrong. How could you tell it was the one on Breithaupt? I was hoping it was, but also thinking maybe the Krug Furnature buildings, but wasnt sure if there were any plans for those. |
Post #7450 05-24-2010 10:13 AM panamaniac Town Member Joined Mar 2010 413 posts |
RIM in Kitchener? Could that ever happen? I heard once that Balsilly had a major dislike of Waterloo's lesser known twin. |
Post #7452 05-24-2010 11:52 AM Osiris Hamlet Member Joined Feb 2010 40 posts |
You're right...sort of. It's on this wedge of land. |
Post #7454 05-24-2010 12:17 PM RangersFan Sports & Recreation Moderator Kitchener Joined Jan 2010 746 posts |
I am not sure if RIM could have picked a weirder location within Waterloo for their new Headquarters. I would like to Laurel Creek remain a nature reserve. |
Post #7456 05-24-2010 01:35 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5045 posts |
Have they been linked to Kitchener? |
Post #7458 05-24-2010 02:52 PM Duke-of-Waterloo Metropolis Member Waterloo Joined Jan 2010 1001 posts |
I have been told by a municipal politician (I won't name who) that RIM will never open an office in Kitchener. It's not in the question at all. |
Post #7504 05-25-2010 12:51 PM IEFBR14 Transportation Moderator H2OWC Joined Mar 2010 1026 posts |
He lives in a $multi-million estate on acreage northwest of Waterloo near Bamberg. (I know one of his neighbours.) As for Jim, a couple of years ago he was trying to get some sort of zoning changes to expand his house. As I recall he lives off University Ave. near RIM Park. |
Post #7521 05-25-2010 05:57 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5033 posts |
I've had that same worry a couple times. It'd be devastating for the region. |
Post #7523 05-25-2010 06:10 PM Duke-of-Waterloo Metropolis Member Waterloo Joined Jan 2010 1000 posts |
Nothing on Kitchener here, but I just love how the Kitchenerites on this forum are trying to squeeze any RIM points that they can out of this, but come up cold each time - even, yes, when we talk of prestigious places like Hidden Valley. I was just thinking of big national companies Kitchener is known for - and the food industry quickly comes to mind. Dare, Schneiders (now Maple Leaf, but still...), and M&M Meats. Perhaps Kitchener should stop chasing the tech industry with Waterloo as its neighbour and focus on the convenience food industry. With names like M&M and Dare in the city, it wouldn't be that hard to prove to another food company the merits of locating here. |
Post #7527 05-25-2010 06:33 PM DHLawrence Town Member Joined Mar 2010 457 posts |
Back when Balsillie was aiming for the Nashville Predators, news emerged that RIM owned a plot of land up near Pinebush and Townline in Cambridge and the rumour mill started grinding. I can't remember if they've built on it yet. It just boggles my mind how some Torontonians can know so little of the rest of their country when they think that places like KWC are 'the boondocks' by Canadian standards. Some people just don't get to travel much. |
Post #7533 05-25-2010 09:49 PM jay Moderator Bauer Lofts, Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 665 posts |
They could but the reality is that those companies in the future won't pay as high in wages as they do today. Or in Schneiders case they are probably doing everything in there power to get rid of there union, because let's be real they are viewed as the Buds of the food industry. |
Post #8409 06-11-2010 02:08 PM UrbanWaterloo Moderator Kitchener-Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 3554 posts cc LRT Letters to letters@wonderfulwaterloo.com |
June 11, 2010 |
Post #8609 06-15-2010 06:52 PM TripleQ Village Member Joined Jan 2010 92 posts |
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know why Westmount had to be realigned in the first place? |
Post #8622 06-15-2010 10:17 PM mpd618 City Member Waterloo, ON Joined Jan 2010 948 posts |
Westmount was only recently extended through the UW lands to Bearinger. Lining it up with the old extension of Northfield would've meant going over the Laurel Creek area. |
Post #8638 06-16-2010 09:20 AM TripleQ Village Member Joined Jan 2010 92 posts |
I thought they moved it west (closer to Laurel Creek) or maybe I'm confusing it with the southern part which ended at Columbia. |
Post #8639 06-16-2010 09:44 AM WatDot Town Member Waterloo Joined Feb 2010 259 posts |
I think the realignment happened because Westmount couldn't go further to the east because of an environmentally sensitive area. So they realigned Northfield/Westmount to the north of Berringer in order to have a proper intersection. The GRCA owned the land that RIM is building on. There was a bit of controversy but in the end it got the GRCA some extra funds to utilize in areas of greater significance. (They did move the north of Berringer section closer to Laurel Creek TripleQ). |
Post #8640 06-16-2010 09:44 AM mpd618 City Member Waterloo, ON Joined Jan 2010 948 posts |
Maybe a satellite map will clear this up. |
Post #8975 06-23-2010 09:24 AM UrbanWaterloo Moderator Kitchener-Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 3554 posts cc LRT Letters to letters@wonderfulwaterloo.com |
AMENDMENT TO REGIONAL MUNICIPALITY OF WATERLOO CONTROLLED ACCESS BY-LAW #58-87 FOR ACCESS TO REGIONAL ROAD #50 (WESTMOUNT ROAD), CITY OF WATERLOO REGION OF WATERLOO PLANNING, HOUSING AND COMMUNITY SERVICES: Transportation Planning TO: Chair Jim Wideman and Members of the Planning and Works Committee DATE: June 22, 2010 | Report: P-10-060 RECOMMENDATION: THAT the Regional Municipality of Waterloo Controlled Access By-law #58-87 be amended to include a temporary right in-right only construction access on the east side of Regional Road # 50 (Westmount Road) approximately 340 metres north of Bearinger Road, in the City of Waterloo as outlined in P-10-060, dated June 22, 2010. SUMMARY: Research in Motion has received Site Plan approval to construct a new research facility on the east side of Westmount Road, north of Bearinger Road, in the City of Waterloo. The site plan includes a previously approved permanent access to Westmount Road. The access is located south of the proposed building and due to site constraints, the contractor has requested a second temporary right in/right out access north of the proposed building. This access will be used for the duration of construction and will be closed upon completion of construction. City of Waterloo staff concur with the request. REPORT: ...Research in Motion has received site plan approval to construct a 7600 m2 research facility at 560 Westmount Road, north of Bearinger Road, in the City of Waterloo (Appendix A). |
Post #8987 06-23-2010 11:43 AM taylortbb Town Member Waterloo, Ontario Joined Jan 2010 306 posts Taylor Byrnes |
Couldn't they have at least put this building on the corner facing the street? Now we'll hae a parking lot to complement the Laurel Creek Conservation Area and the campus nature preserve. |
Post #9004 06-23-2010 02:30 PM RangersFan Sports & Recreation Moderator Kitchener Joined Jan 2010 748 posts |
Is it a research centre or the Head Office? |
Post #9013 06-23-2010 04:19 PM UrbanWaterloo Moderator Kitchener-Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 3554 posts cc LRT Letters to letters@wonderfulwaterloo.com |
Agreed, it's too bad this wasn't closer to the curved section on the left of the site plan (with a redesigned complimentary curve on that side of the structure). Also this does seem a bit small for a newly constructed head office. |
Post #11564 07-26-2010 01:38 PM Waterlooian4Life Hamlet Member Joined Jan 2010 28 posts |
We have a Tower Crane! |
Post #11570 07-26-2010 07:33 PM UrbanWaterloo Moderator Kitchener-Waterloo Joined Dec 2009 3554 posts cc LRT Letters to letters@wonderfulwaterloo.com |
Awesome to hear! I'll have to pop by and grab some photos this week. |
Post #11576 07-26-2010 08:17 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5033 posts |
Great news!! That's one we never really thought of. |
Post #11627 07-27-2010 03:55 PM TripleQ Village Member Joined Jan 2010 92 posts |
Drove by today and it's a pretty bold looking crane I didn't think they'd need one for just 3 floors? |
Post #11638 07-27-2010 04:47 PM Spokes Conurbation Member Kitchener Joined Dec 2009 5033 posts |
Are you kidding, it's RIM, they'd put a crane up for a single storey |
Post #11817 07-29-2010 01:07 PM taylortbb Senior Member Date Jan 2010 Location Waterloo, Ontario Posts 215 Taylor Byrnes |
It's actually a very valid comparison. It's not claiming KW is a metropolis, but we do have a CBD with tall office buildings. Not a lot of them, but we do. The point is that where Google and Apple are located are suburbs to another city. We aren't, we have our own CBD that businesses could locate in. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Google's head office may be suburban, but their offices are urban whenever possible. That's the point of the core, to be the place that's always busy. Looking for a small town feel at the center of a city of over half a million people is just plain silly. London, Ontario is smaller Waterloo Region, but based on downtowns you'd never guess that. Not that London is a perfect model, but you can have downtown offices in a city of our size. Also, given all the revitalization effort being put into downtown, and formerly uptown, I can't imagine people complaining about development bringing too much traffic. Downtown Kitchener currently doesn't have any notable traffic. The RIM execs are a very small portion of RIM's workforce. I'm certain they would have no issue finding 100 parking spaces for them. And this is why our suburban planning needs to change. City of Waterloo planning is incredibly backwards. Suburbs don't make for exciting vibrant places. Just like we have ugly suburban plazas to serve a bunch of students that tend to walk, we also have these big suburban office "parks" that could be far more urban. There's a reason people talk about vibrant urban life, I've never heard of vibrant suburban life. Also, are suburbs really the best way to attract the kind of talent RIM wants? Google certainly doesn't think so. Google's Waterloo office specializes in mobile, they're competing directly with RIM. Where do they feel is a good place to be? Apparently downtown Kitchener is more attractive to them than right next to the university, that's why they're moving. Why doesn't more of UW's top CS and and engineering talent stay in Waterloo? The predominant opinion among students is that Waterloo is "lame". It's just endless generic suburbia without that vibrant urban life. Waterloo has to compete for talent with cities like Toronto and New York, we can't dismiss urban life as something only big cities have. |
Post #11819 07-29-2010 01:25 PM kwliving Senior Member Date Dec 2009 Location Westmount/Belmont Villiage Posts 121 |
I agree it is a mistake not allowing commercial development along University Ave. It is still the city's plan to keep it strictly residential where it currently is. Imagine how nice the Northdale neighborhood could be if there were a bank of shops and eateries along University Avenue. Take a look at Ann Arbor where the campus meets the downtown. http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&sourc...p=12,5.25,,0,5 Back on topic, "The Museum" was also funded by former RIM employees. |
Post #11820 07-29-2010 01:38 PM BuildingScout Senior Member Date Jul 2010 Posts 129 |
This has to be one of the great missed opportunities by Waterloo City council. They couldn't imagine nice commercial development along that street (all they could picture in their heads was Victoria St. N) and hence proceeded to ban it. Downtown Madison is equally nice. Notice that we are talking about cities that have developed very nice university related walking districts while having very similar weather to Waterloo, which has to be a consideration. |
Post #11821 07-29-2010 01:52 PM diego Member Date Jan 2010 Posts 98 |
Is the status of this project "double cranes"? really? How can a building be in "double cranes" status? -_- |
Post #11830 07-29-2010 05:43 PM KevinL Senior Member Date May 2010 Location West-South-West Kitchener Posts 170 |
The 'status' is "U/C", under construction. 'Double cranes' is an attribute like '12m' or '3 fl'. |
Post #11844 07-29-2010 10:28 PM kwliving Senior Member Date Dec 2009 Location Westmount/Belmont Villiage Posts 121 |
Is that like double rainbow? (I tried the "YouTube" icon while editing and I think it's broken.) [Edit Urban Waterloo: The YouTube Icon seems to be working now. Edit/Quote this message to check out the part of the url to insert] |
Post #11861 07-30-2010 06:47 AM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
I agree with you, especially about the multiple cores. The fact of the matter is that even with tons of effort to grow it, the university zone may, and probably will, out grow Uptown. Sure that's not ideal, but its not a bad thing either. As long as it grows in a positive way, it can definitely be a positive thing, and why nto have RIM at the centre of it all. |
Post #11862 07-30-2010 06:48 AM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
I had no idea there was no commercial allowed along University. That street screams mixed use corridor! |
Post #11863 07-30-2010 06:49 AM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
You've got to love the excitement that UrbanWaterloo has about it though! Give him credit for that! |
Post #12677 08-12-2010 11:39 AM RangersFan Economic Moderator Date Jan 2010 Location Waterloo Posts 585 |
An interesting view of the "Double cranes" from the Laurel Creek Conservation area observatory deck |
Post #12684 08-12-2010 12:17 PM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
Awesome shot! |
Post #14650 09-16-2010 11:50 AM UrbanWaterloo Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener-Waterloo Posts 2,697 Fluoridation Forum #2 | Thursday October 7, 2010 7:00PM - 8:30PM @ Waterloo Memorial Recreation Complex |
September 14, 2010 |
Post #14652 09-16-2010 12:04 PM Shawn Senior Moderator Date Jan 2010 Location Kitchener Posts 285 |
The latest rendering on the billboard makes the RIM World Headquarters look almost "residential". It reminds me of a 3 level town house development you would see in Toronto. I wonder if that was on purpose... |
Post #14657 09-16-2010 12:41 PM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
You're right, it does, and on that note, I'd love to see residential projects like that |
Post #14673 09-16-2010 04:37 PM jay Food & Retail Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Bauer Lofts, Waterloo Posts 507 |
I like how they put people walking on the other side of the street. What are they walking from? The place is in the middle of nowhere pretty much. |
Post #14679 09-16-2010 05:25 PM Spokes Senior Moderator Date Dec 2009 Location Kitchener Posts 3,537 |
hahahahah I didn't even notice that. Good call. |
Post #14691 09-16-2010 06:52 PM KevinL Senior Member Date May 2010 Location West-South-West Kitchener Posts 170 My Flickr - My Facebook |
That sign makes zero mention of the building's tenant... curious. |
Post #14695 09-16-2010 07:22 PM bcwessel Member Date May 2010 Posts 50 "When I feed the poor, they call me a saint, but when I ask why the poor are hungry, they call me a communist." - Dom Helder Camara |
Who doesn't love walking next to a 6-lane highway with no physical barrier between the road and the sidewalk? Sometimes, just for fun, I'll drive out to highway 8, pullover onto the shoulder and take a little stroll for some light recreation. I guess this drawing is just meant to demonstrate that pedestrians are at least a theoretical possibility in this part of "town." |